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T Break 2011: The chosen ones


Sifting through more than 1,000 demos of unsigned Scottish acts and whittling them down to just 16… that really is a job I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.

So all credit to the T Break judges for coming up with a pretty decent shortlist of artists who will play at this summer’s T in the Park festival alongside (sort of, but not really) Beyoncé, Coldplay, Arctic Monkeys, The Foo Fighters, Pulp and The Strokes on July 8-10.

Here’s The Pop Cop’s guide to the runners and riders…


AERIALS UP
Base: Glasgow
CV: Arcade Fire-infused orchestral bluster from the first T Break band ever to have previously played T in the Park (they were on the BBC Introducing Stage in 2010). One of their members – Debbie Morton (the blonde one) – also has a solo career under the name of Debbie Kate.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/Aerialsup
Twitter: http://twitter.com/aerialsup
Audio: Aerials Up – All Your Mothers Daughters


BOYCOTTS
Base: Glasgow/Edinburgh
CV: Feisty guitar-pop with champion cheekbones, Boycotts recently played their biggest gig to date, at a sell-out Glasgow Barrowland in March as support to Two Door Cinema Club.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/Boycotts
Twitter: http://twitter.com/boycotts
Audio: Boycotts – Press Play


CANCEL THE ASTRONAUTS
Base: Edinburgh
CV: Old-fashioned indie-pop with more than its fair share of weedy synth sounds.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cancel-the-Astronauts/9549742151
Twitter: http://twitter.com/canceltheastros
Audio: Cancel The Astronauts – Late In The City


CARNIVORES
Base: Paisley
CV: Big-riffed headbanging rock from two young men and one man who looks old enough to be their dad.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Carnivores/113628385672
Twitter: http://twitter.com/carnivores_
Audio: Carnivores – Black Rain / Purple Sabbath


CHURCH OF WHEN THE SHIT HITS THE FAN
Base: Edinburgh
CV: Politically-aware hip-hop with Harlequinade on vocal duty and beats from Asthmatic Astronaut (real name: Gareth).
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Harlequinade/159500400736973 and http://www.facebook.com/pages/Asthmatic-Astronaut/277314640405
Twitter: http://twitter.com/parsonharlequin and http://twitter.com/asthmatic_ast
Audio: Church Of When The Shit Hits The Fan – Locust Ritual


CONQUERING ANIMAL SOUND
Base: Glasgow
CV: Intricate, ambient and otherworldy songcraft with Björk-esque vocals. Their debut album Kammerspiel came out in February.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Conquering-Animal-Sound/205594179060
Twitter: http://twitter.com/yourfriendscas
Audio: Conquering Animal Sound – Wildthings


CRAYONS
Base: Dunfermline
CV: Lovingly-crafted tropical pop melodies with a plentiful dollop of likeability.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/crayons/110242854524
Twitter: http://twitter.com/crayyyons
Audio: Crayons – Belle Laide


DISCOPOLIS
Base: Edinburgh
CV: Slick, polished electro from the most talked-about new discovery from this year’s T Break submissions according to those I spoke to who were on the judging panel. Nobody is quite sure whether their named is pronounced Disco-Polis or as in the word that rhymes with necropolis.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/discopolismusic
Twitter: http://twitter.com/discopolisuk
Audio: Discopolis – Timber Merchants


FATHERSON
Base: Kilmarnock
CV: Fatherson make earnest, fairly derivative rock and aren’t too dissimilar to their Killie cousins Biffy Clyro. They used to go by the name of Energy!
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fathersonband
Twitter: http://twitter.com/fathersonband
Audio: Fatherson – Town For Tourists


LADY NORTH
Base: Edinburgh
CV: When the band had a singer, nobody paid them much attention. But since ditching him and going instrumental they’ve won plenty of admirers for their pretentious mathematical rock. I’m not one of them, to be honest. Guitarist Scott Bullen is also a member of Scottish supergroup Hairy Area.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/weareladynorth
Twitter: n/a
Audio: Lady North – Ali, The Pig Opera And The Helicopter


MARRIK LAYDEN DEFT & SCATABRAINZ
Base: Glasgow
CV: Confrontational, angry MCing backed by dark, sparse digital beats.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/Marrik.Layden.Deft.Shearer
Twitter: http://twitter.com/_MLDmusic
Audio: Marrik Layden Deft & Scatabrainz – I Show My Teeth


OTHERPEOPLE
Base: Glasgow
CV: Competent indie fare with tinges of Guided By Voices. Bassist Dave Reekie also plays in Song Of Return.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/otherpeopleloveyou
Twitter: http://twitter.com/loveotherpeople
Audio: Otherpeople – Hello


PAWS
Base: Glasgow
CV: Fun, slacker garage-rock. Guitarist/vocalist Phillip Taylor is dating Stina Twee, the singer of fellow T Breakers Boycotts. Hang on a minute – a love story centred around two bands at T in the Park? They could make a crap movie about that…
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/PAWS/127773603912825
Twitter: http://twitter.com/wehavepaws
Audio: PAWS – Violent Vicky Violet


REVERIEME
Base: Airdrie
CV: Behind the bashful exterior of Louise Connell lies a lyricist of rare fortitude and an acoustic guitarist with an acutely honed sense of melody, both of which make Get To Know Me the best song I’ve heard all year. The most talented artist in this year’s T Break. No contest.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/Reverieme
Twitter: http://twitter.com/reverieme
Audio: Reverieme – Get To Know Me


THE LAFONTAINES
Base: Motherwell
CV: They’ve made a name for themselves parodying Biffy Clyro on YouTube and being ambushed by a stripper (NSFW!) during a gig organised by Detour. At long last, though, rap-rock combo The LaFontaines are finally writing songs to match their profile – Light Up The Background is the best thing they’ve done by some distance.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-LaFontaines/23617180546
Twitter: http://twitter.com/thelafontaines
Audio: The LaFontaines – Light Up The Background


UNITED FRUIT
Base: Glasgow
CV: Remember the fuzzy, whirlwind swagger of Trail of Dead’s early albums? That’s what this lot sound like.
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/United-Fruit/73080356257
Twitter: http://twitter.com/unitedfruitband
Audio: United Fruit – Wrecking Ball

163 Responses to “T Break 2011: The chosen ones”

  1. It's me Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 07:25

    Again, so many better bands doing better things not playing. The above line up is nothing special and of course, the likes of Fatherson and Aerials up were ALWAYS going to be playing.

    Maybe it’s time to bring back the heats. It’s not how good you are, it’s who you know hu!


  2. Marx and Spencer Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 08:50

    More ironic glasses, beards, fringes and tortured Scottish accents that you can shake a stick at. Great.

    It would appear anyone with a modicum of music taste left the Tbreak meetings early and left the job of picking bands to a handful of chin scratching of Scottish music bloggers. I predict that the Tbreak tent will be rather empty this year.

    On a brighter note, glad to see Crayons in the mix. One of the few bands chosen from out with the central belt.


  3. Ill Will Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 09:04

    Agrees with It’s Me.

    Didn’t Aerials Up play T last year? Thought you only got to play once? Make way for some decent up and coming Scottish bands.

    Interesting to see that there’s no bands from outside of the Central Belt playing.

    Very poor lineup but Carnivores and United Fruit will be fantastic!


  4. The Pop Cop Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 09:20

    RE It’s me: The heats were dreadful, battle-of-the-band pile-yer-mates-in days. No thank-you.

    RE Marx and Spencer: There were 13 people on the judging panel and only one of them could feasibly be described as a “blogger” – http://www.tennents.com/tbreak/the-judges/

    RE Ill Will: I guess it depends on how you define “Central Belt” – some people would regard Dunfermline and Kilmarnock as outside that area, but there is obviously a lack of bands on this list from the Highlands and Islands and Borders.


  5. housecat Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 09:31

    Just a heads up, its discopolis as in rhymes with necropolis. Better to know now before they’re famous they’ll rock this shit
    .


  6. a maths student Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 09:41

    I don’t want to offend anyone but did yr bands not get picked then, aye?

    Also @Marx and Spencer: I think complaining about Scottish accents in a competition for Scottish bands to play a Scottish festival is fucking stupid.


  7. Marx and Spencer Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 10:00

    RE Pop Cop. Thanks for the heads up.

    Re A Maths Student- Not complaining, just making an observation. I love the Scottish accent. It’s a wonderful thing. My pet hate at the moment is that whiny, nasal, Scottish accent that seems the be the preserve of boys in plaid shirts that are studying English lit at Uni. You know the type! Every song must use the word ‘heart’ at least once per three lines and every second line is a metaphor…you get the picture….


  8. Wesley Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 10:03

    You know, I once heard that music is subjective but maybe I’m wrong. I also thought that judging the talent of a musician by the length of their fringe and their amount of facial hair was rather narrow-minded and stereotypical. But hey, maybe I’m being narrow-minded by stereotyping you as a jealous buzz kill.


  9. dominic Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 10:08

    not bad, some good choices this year, a couple of horrible scene choices though!

    fair play to United fruit, carnivores, fatherson, reverieme, la fontaines all decent.

    other people? really?
    aerials up? didnt they play last year?

    and yes, kilmarock and dunfermilne are in the central belt!


  10. hmmm... Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 10:25

    Arials Up “the first T Break band ever to have previously played T in the Park”. Not true… Unicorn Kid did Introducing in 2009 and TBreak in 2010..


  11. Jodi Albert Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 10:27

    I seem to remember Figure 5 doing it about 54 times.


  12. Mr X Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 10:42

    Half these bands i’ve never heard of.

    Aerials Up? course they’re gonna get it, Kerren McKean get’s them near enough every little thing they ask for.

    Fatherson? it would be silly for DF’s golden boys not to get in.

    Where’s the challenge in writing good music when a premade fan base is pretty much given to you on a plate by a large company.


  13. Dave Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 10:45

    Your all up each others arse.


  14. Anonymous Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 11:12

    Cannot describe how much i love these comments.


  15. Anonymous Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 11:12

    Why do they all sound like Biffy Clyro / Two Door Cinema Club / Arcade Fire?

    LOL LOL LOL.


  16. fin Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 11:25

    cos that’s clearly the best type of music ever!


  17. That guy from that gig who was moaning about husker du and stuff Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 11:39

    These comments are gold.

    I think most of the people whining are just pissed off because their bands didn’t get through. That said, most of these bands are gash, but so’s T in the Park so who gives. Fatherson’s presence everywhere now is admittedly starting to bug me.


  18. Russell Sprout Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 11:42

    ‘More ironic glasses, beards, fringes and tortured Scottish accents that you can shake a stick at. Great.’

    LOLOCAUST!


  19. Paul Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 11:47

    The lineup is disappointing to say the least. There seems to be far too much pandering to piss weak indie guitar ‘music’ in Scotland at the moment. If you go round Glasgow you can walk into almost any venue and see it, and it’s popularity never ceases to amaze me because most of them are half empty. Of the last 5 gigs I’ve been to in town only 2 were busy, both sold out, in fact. Neither of them were indie acts/bills. The promoters in this country need to look outside the over-bloated world of ‘indie’ bands to find some real talent to put on show.

    I’ve not been to T in the Park in a few years now, mainly because of what it’s become; an overpriced piss up in a field, with most of its ticketholders not caring who’s on the bill. The mediocrity of the music on show is startling. The festival is at the stage where they could put on ANYTHING in front of the audience on the main stage and they’d get into it. They should use this to really showcase talent, regardless of genre.

    It is, however, great to see Carnivores on the bill. They are genuinely exceptional songwriters.


  20. Murray Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 11:55

    Ah the good old t-break is fixed debate/argument/debacle.

    In short there isn’t enough space at T to do justice to new music in Scotland. Like many others i am disappointed by the line-up; not least because none of the acts I represent (Miaoux Miaoux, Nevada Base and Sonny Marvello) have got in.

    On the plus side, DF/Tuts do have their Summer Nights series of gigs that is going to be announced next week. I think DF are recognising the talent out there and trying their best to promote it with their summer and winter nights gigs and also trying to get some good support slots for the ‘cream of the crop’.

    T Break will always generate debate and discussion, that is a healthy thing.

    What I would propose to get more unsigned/small independent bands involved in Scotland’s largest music festival would be to have late night stages at the campsite. They would be mental!

    Any other ideas on how to get more acts involved?


  21. Anonymous Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 12:01

    i agree with paul in this one.
    FYI i am in a band however have i any aspirations to play TITP, well no. it would be good to possibly play in front of hundreds of people but i am not sure that skinny jeaned, burton and new look manequins would appreciate good music if played to them and as for the majority of other folk in attendance… is there any reason other than to drink buckfast and merrydown in a field that you are there?
    i shall continue to play festivals of equal/greater magnitude south of the border and try pretend neds in the field is not associated with Scotland


  22. Anonymous Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 12:12

    ‘i shall continue to play festivals of equal/greater magnitude south of the border and try pretend neds in the field is not associated with Scotland’

    wow surely if you were so busy and successful you wouldn’t be able to find the time to comment on a line up for an unsigned stage in scotland, you are obviously talking out your arse.


  23. Paul Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 12:13

    @Murray: The late night stages are a solid idea, but might be an absolute ‘mare to manage. Might also have to look at the noise regulations for late night depending on the licence the festival holds.

    If they really wanted to showcase Scotland they’d need to put on some form of rock tent though. Not only might it thin out the ‘neds in the field’, there is a large scene up here begging for something North of the border.

    It was also mentioned earlier that there was only one band outside the Central Belt. It could be an idea to weight the regions (on population or whatever) in the selection process and make a deliberate effort to bring in acts from around the country.


  24. Paul Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 12:15

    @Anon 12:12: He could just be interested in the happenings at grass roots :-P

    Plus, I’ve played big festivals before and it’s no guarantee of serious income!


  25. Davey Fae The Pans Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 12:29

    Firstly would like to say congratulations to everyone who got through this year. I think some of these posts are very unfair, people are basically saying these bands don’t deserve to play T Break because they’re from the ‘central belt’ or they sound a bit like ‘this’ or don’t sound enough like ‘that’, or they’re already doing well for themselves and are ‘everywhere’ so another band should have been selected instead. Of course there are LOADS of amazing bands who haven’t made it through, the same happens every year as there are only 16 slots available. All the winners (as well as every single other band who didn’t get selected) work extremely hard in gigging, recording and promoting – what right do you negative-normans have to turn round and say the line-up is shit and someone else deserves it instead?! Every unsigned band in Scotland should support each other fully, 100%, no questions asked. Stop hating x


  26. Wesley Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 13:08

    Some of the stereotypes being thrown about are rather amusing, also rather ironic that they seem to be coming from apparently narrow minded people who are moaning that the judges aren’t open minded enough.

    Davey fae the pans summed it up perfectly. Pull your heads out your arses and show some support. There seems to be an air of aloofness and snobbery, not the best qualities to have if you want your band to make a name for themselves. Although with that said, if some of you are playing festivals of equal or greater magnitude south of the border then it would appear you are already a smash hit and I look forward to seeing you on Jools Holland before the year is out.


  27. Mr M Bastard Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 13:58

    Personally I think the line up has it’s highs and not so highs. Yeh there’s acts there that I would have liked to have seen. They’re not there though, it’s not the end of the world, it’s not as if their whole ethos in making music is to play Tbreak. It’d be nice, but 30 mins in one tent in front of lets be honest and depending on who you are you could get 20 people or 200 people. It’s been built up as a massive thing, kinda similar to SXSW, but in reality it’s not really that big a deal.

    Tbreak shouldn’t be a guage on how well acts are doing or how ‘big’ they are, that’s obvious from line ups down the years. There have been plenty lesser known bands who’ve played Tbreak and have never been heard of again. There’s acts who’ve played and continued to try and break through, and there are acts who have gone onto bigger and better things. Tbreak alone won’t make or break an act like that, yeah it helps, but it’s the hard work you put in after playing such events that really makes things happen.

    The judges are probably key figures within the Scottish music scene, there’s no real denial of that. Yeah they have got a tough job, I guess there will be some heated debates on who goes through. Some will want to give a brand spanking new band a chance to shine, some might want to give ‘their’ band a helping hand, who wouldn’t? Obv the heats are just a big battle of the bands, and doing some online poll has it’s flaws so is there any other way to do such a thing? I guess not.

    I’m sure this time next year there will be the exact same conversation and reaction about Tbreak. At the end of the day there are thousands of applications, there are hundreds of worthy bands, and there are sixteen slots. You just can’t please everyone.

    If you’re angry at Tbreak this year just take a step back and realise that it’s such a big deal you never got chosen. Other acts did, don’t lay into them it’s not their fault they got picked over you. Just keep plying your trade, write killer songs, work hard and give the ‘winners’ less ripping and more support!

    Mr M Bastard x


  28. Mr M Bastard Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 14:01

    P.S.

    ”realise that it’s *** NOT *** such a big deal you never got chosen. ”


  29. John D. Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 14:21

    Yeah I don’t imagine playing T Break is going to have much effect for anybody, besides a fun wee junket.

    Amusing though to see there are still folk who will enthusiastically complain about just about anything. “Haters gona hate”, and we have a disproportionate amount of haters in the Scottish “scene”.

    I think, Murray, that having bands in the campsite would just dilute even further what little kudos there is in getting a T Break slot.


  30. Mr M Bastard Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 14:41

    Hey, maybe they could do ‘It dit dog shit, you are not it’ selections ;)


  31. Jim Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 14:58

    TBreak should be decided through a series of cage fights and dance offs.


  32. impecunious Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 15:14

    Let’s be honest here. The whole system that’s used is totally corrupt. There’s no way that every band that enters gets a fair listen. In all honesty there are probably less than 50 acts in any given year that have a chance. It comes down to having someone with clout in the industry to fight your corner. Whether that be a manager, agent or whatever. What gets me is the lack of variety here. Yes there is one hip-hop and one heavy rock act. The rest of it is very much landfill scottish indie. We’ve seen these bands a million times before and they never go anywhere. Like it or not, the only Scottish bands that have succeeded in the past 10 years are bands that sound nothing like a typical scottish indie band. Biffy, The View, Fratellis, Franz Ferdinand.


  33. Mr M Bastard Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 15:23

    Define ‘typical scottish indie band’


  34. banter Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 15:28

    Tbreak is like Xfactor for bands in Scotland…but way more bitchy


  35. KP Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 15:38

    The only thing that is ‘pretentious’ is this blog


  36. Anonymous Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 15:43

    who would people actually like to see on the bill? if these bands are so bad, who are the good ones in scotland?


  37. Anonymous Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 15:48

    10.04s


  38. Anonymous Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 16:58

    “t sound nothing like a typical scottish indie band. Biffy, The View, Fratellis, Franz Ferdinand.”

    Minus Biffy Clyro, you pretty much summed up a typical Scottish Band. they sound exactly like The View, Fratellis, Franz Ferdinand.


  39. JohnnyElle Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 18:21

    Lots of really good Talent in this line up FATHERSON – LaFont’s – Otherpeople – Carnivores. Rarely a better line up for T. Lets celebrate their success rather than ‘Bitching’
    Congratulations to all SUCCESSFUL BANDS
    Keep Music Live !!


  40. betty Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 18:36

    RE Mr X: its obviously not as easy as sitting about being a moany wee jealous arsehole is it ?


  41. Hamish Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 18:55

    I’m gutted that a band I work with and am friends with didn’t get in, but I’m not bitter. This is a genuinely impressive line up, and isn’t full of contrived bands like everyone’s complaining about. I don’t know all the bands but there’s a good range, and the few that I do know are well worthy (and not generic lad rock in the slightest) of playing TITP, fair play to them. There’s of course a few stinkers but Conquering Animal Sound, Discopolis, PAWS and a few I’ve only just listened to, some great stuff in there.


  42. Hamish Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 18:55

    Those bands I just mentioned were the ‘great stuff’ btw, not the stinkers.


  43. D-Fakes Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 19:27

    ” It comes down to having someone with clout in the industry to fight your corner. Whether that be a manager, agent or whatever.”

    Not so in my case. Played a couple of years ago, nae manager, nae agent, just the band.
    I don’t think it’s important enough to be supermanaged and fixed by the suits in sunglasses, guys, it’s just a bit of a laugh.


  44. D-Fakes Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 19:28

    PS. United Fruit and PAWS are great. Go on lads!


  45. Anonymous Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 19:48

    Agree with d fakes above, I’ve played before, band had no manager, no agent and didn’t know anyone to do with judging.

    Those who are bitching clearly didn’t get picked themselves.


  46. John M Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 19:49

    Same story with me – I played T Break a few years back and we had no agent/manager/label/fairy god mother. We worked hard, rehearsed and wrote constantly and had a regular presence in venues throughout Scotland.

    There will always be bitterness about these things and it’s impossible to appease the masses of grumpy cynical muso bastards through Scotland, but they can take solace in the fact that every band selected are hard-working and deserving of some exposure for their efforts.


  47. chris Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 21:36

    I think the line up is strong, some stuff I’m stoked about, some I’m not.
    As Wesley said it’s such a subjective thing, and everyone is not going to be happy, but some of the conspiracy drivel being spouted on here is just ridiculous, and wreaks of jealousy/ignorance/stupidity.
    It was the same after the Wickerman anouncement and there is too much of this bollocks around right now. If you’re good enough you will have a shout at these things, and whilst I don’t know who the full judging panel was, the names I know fill me with the utmost confidence that I am right in saying that.


  48. S Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 23:12

    have judged Tbreak a few times in the past – it’s a lot more corporate now, but I doubt it’s much different apart from that. The organisers are keen to be have the cutting edge stuff first, but if they have bands they want to play at T then there are plenty of other stages – and, 16 other TBreak slots (hence, the Biffy back story). The ‘pressure’ to get a slot was much bigger then too, as there were fewer festivals. Now, there are new band stages at Rockness, Wicker, and loads of other places. Plenty of slots to go round.


  49. P Says:

    May 13th, 2011 at 23:19

    As is now customary, the T-Break list is announced and, within seconds, bitter would-be Rock Gods take to the Internet armed only with their paranoid conspiracy theories (fuelled by years of disappointment and failure) to defend their mortifying Superstar dreams.

    It is a competition and you/your friend’s band LOST. You failed. Sorry, you are not a winner.
    Does the same furore kick off whenever these thumb-sucking weeds don’t get what they want?

    The fact is that as the judges all work within the music industry and they are all local residents to this part of the country, yes, they’ll know most of the bands they pick. The relationship the judges have with these acts exists for the same reason that they’d pick them to play on the T-Break stage: they like them. Possibly they knew certain acts were submitting demos and were already eager to see them play, but that doesn’t make it a fix so long as every act was listened to, which appears to be the case as there are certainly some relative or even complete unknowns in there (Church of the Wha….?)

    And not to burst the bubble of the righteous dudes who are going to be playing the stage, those of you who have played before will know what playing T-Break really amounts to:

    – A free ticket AND VIP pass for each band member!

    – A small guest list for a few pals!

    – The opportunity to feel like a REAL musician, playing at the same festival as Beyonce and everything!

    – Something to say you’ve done in your biog!

    And that’s likely to be it. But hey, that’s not bad, eh? Take it for what it is and you’ll have a totally marvellous time; take it for what it isn’t (fame in a bap) and you’ll just end up bitter on message-boards in years to come bemoaning how poor the line-up is (subtext: IT SHOULD BE ME!!! WHY-OH-WHY IS NOT ME??!!!)

    Night night.


  50. That guy from that gig who was moaning about husker du and stuff Says:

    May 14th, 2011 at 00:15

    ^ +10000000

    You should just close this to comments now.


  51. Voucher Deals Says:

    May 14th, 2011 at 01:20

    Nice to see the LaFontaines doing so well and getting the attention for their own stuff other than the Biffy youtube material.

    From my neck of the woods too! go on Motherwell!!


  52. MR X Says:

    May 14th, 2011 at 01:53

    DF= Dicking Fatherson


  53. Phillip - PAWS Says:

    May 14th, 2011 at 02:25

    Can’t believe I’m getting involved in all of this, but I just wanted to say something.

    I’m from north of Inverness. Outwith this belt that is causing so much trouble. Not Glasgow. Our band started in a place called Tain. Not Glasgow.

    I hate all this shit. It makes me feel like i’ve done something wrong. I just love playing music because it’s all I have. Getting to do this is nice, but something I never thought would happen. Some of my favourite bands are actually from Dundee and Aberdeen.

    Also, why is it relevant who I am dating? Hmm.

    Man I’m so stoked…

    Phillip


  54. Anonymous Says:

    May 14th, 2011 at 03:48

    Remember to all register for PRS… Best thing about Tbreak by a mile.


  55. Jim Gellatly Says:

    May 14th, 2011 at 06:45

    Most amusing thread. Same every year. Looks a very healthy line-up to me. Certainly a few bands I’d have liked to have seen on the list didn’t make the final list, but then that’s why you have a panel. Corrupt? Far from it.


  56. The Pop Cop Says:

    May 14th, 2011 at 10:01

    RE Phillip – PAWS: You’re right, it’s not really relevant who you’re dating, just a bit of fun pop trivia. The “CV” bit was originally called “Interesting facts” but I couldn’t find enough interesting facts about all the acts so I changed it at the last minute.

    RE Jim Gellatly: Since you were on the judging panel, maybe you could explain how the process works. Do you all get to choose a band each? Do you have a discussion with the other judges? Or do you submit your own shortlist and the results are collated?


  57. Phillip - PAWS Says:

    May 14th, 2011 at 12:09

    Thanks for that.

    Why am I bothering.


  58. Jim Gellatly Says:

    May 14th, 2011 at 18:12

    Basically we all get a list of all the entries… and are asked to listen to a certain number that are allocated to us. We also have the opportunity to flag up acts not on our individual lists. We then got together over 2 nights and went through the entries and filtered them down further. From the final shortlist we then each selected our favoured 16 and those votes led to the final 16. It’s very much a group thing and you are talking about a lot of serious contenders getting discussed before the final list is created. No back-handers and all very transparent.


  59. Anonymous Says:

    May 15th, 2011 at 11:50

    I go to see at least 10 different bands a week in Glasgow not even seen the acts picked . Do they play too their pals in the west end ?


  60. AlanSouls Says:

    May 15th, 2011 at 12:42

    T Break is a great opportuity for unsigned bands, but it ain’t the be all and end all, of course it would be amazing to play, but if your band is good enough, and your songs are good enough, then you will make T on your own merit, i’m in a band from Dundee, its dissappointing not to see any bands from here picked, but no-one is bitter about it, everyone inthe unsigned community should be helping each other out, were all in it for the same reason, cause we love music! I for one will be checking the T Break tent out this year, i’ve heard of maybe 3 bands on that list, but just cause i haven’t heard them, doesn’t mean there not good! La Fontains are great, glad to see them involved, good example of a hard working, original band!

    Lets all get behind our bands, this is Scotland!!


  61. Fictionscoutsanonymous Says:

    May 15th, 2011 at 13:13

    I’m not really sure what to say after reading all these comments. Someone has to get through and if it’s not your band then you are going to be envious of those who are getting this “wonderful opportunity”. It’s only natural but what you don’t realise is that it’s probably a good thing that you are not playing on the T-Break stage. For one thing nobody cares about T-Break. No one with the power to further your musical career will see you play, interview you, listen to your demo, or buy you dinner. You will have a generally expensive and shite time. I’ve seen bands do it many times. The only benefit is the PRS money from performing and the £100 performance fee from DFC. I have listened to all the acts that have got through, seen many of them live and not one of them is ready for T- Break. Not one of them is a good live band or even a group of competent musical performers and I will state that Conquering Animal Sound are the worst band in Scotland if not the world. Fucking stupid music. Nearly ruined my night once. Shit music is shit music. I’m not surprised that the line up is consistently shite. Most bands that enter are shite. It’s not even a shame. It’s just the way it is. Even the bands that don’t enter that still get to play are chosen by people who quite frankly you wouldn’t trust to be arbiters of anything. They have the collective musical taste of a half chewed pistachio nut. Why else would they be judging something as pointless as T- Break. If you want a career in music please work hard, please move to London, New York, L.A etc. or be really, really fucking good and I mean really fucking good.


  62. ABC Says:

    May 15th, 2011 at 13:37

    I dont really care about selection process but for gods sake are there really no original bands in Scotland? Same tunes, same looks – nothing fresh. The selection is simply so boring that its almost annoying. Even Lady North sounds like 80s era Crimson done by average musicians.


  63. Stewart Says:

    May 15th, 2011 at 14:53

    @Fictionscoutsanonymous and ABC: who would you like to see on the lineup? for all the comments like yours saying essentially the same thing, nobody has seen fit to make any suggestions about the acts they think should be playing. what acts in scotland right now are ‘fresh’? i’m genuinely interested.

    “Not one of them is a good live band or even a group of competent musical performers…”

    what the actual fuck are you talking about? if you’re looking for people to take your comments seriously you really need to think about what you write before you hit ‘send’.

    as has been said ad nauseam now, it just sounds like a massive case of sour grapes, if not plain old ignorance.


  64. ABC Says:

    May 15th, 2011 at 15:49

    @Stewart

    Im not sour at all. I love music and wish all musicians all the best. Im out there watching gigs two or three times every week in search for something new or at least nicely refreshing – like Steve Heron or Fiona Soe Paing.

    Majority of the bands I witness are like TBreak selection though – some hipsters doing electronica in the bedrooms, Indie kids cloning each other and some hiphopers with guitars. Its a massive genre of Yyyaaaaawnnn with the exception of Lady North who actually dared to break from the Indie cliche.

    Im still waiting for something truly unique though – like Talk Talk or VoiVod or Jesus and Mary Chain.


  65. Colin McIntyre Says:

    May 15th, 2011 at 19:38

    @ Talk Talk? What are you on mate? Do you listen to new music?

    I have to be honest, i think the line up is the best in a while from previous years and there seems to be a balance. I don’t get what everyone is spouting about. Spitting the dummy out of the pram perhaps!


  66. Colin McIntyre Says:

    May 15th, 2011 at 19:42

    Oh yeah, and Fictionscoutsanonymous, you sound like a right nob end. I’m just glad the judges that were doing it were, and not you, as they obviously have more taste. Where do you get off slagging bands off like that. You’re obviously a failed guitarist that’s bitter.


  67. ABC Says:

    May 15th, 2011 at 21:27

    @Colin – yeah – I listen to the new music all the time. I just can’t find anything particularly new in it. Therefore it bores me to death and Im keep going back to the bands which I know that are the league of its own – like TalkTalk or VoiVod.

    But Im still searching – so when I hear “T-Break” – Im thinking – hells yeah – thats the place to discover something cool. And what do I get? Some kind of syndicate of conformist hipsters. The look the same, they sound like bands mentioned in the comments earlier. Its the attack of the Indie clones.

    I am not a teenager though so you’re probably right thinking that those bands, as well as Hollywood remakes of movie classics are not for me.


  68. Colin McIntyre Says:

    May 15th, 2011 at 21:53

    @ ABC “Its the attack of the Indie clones.” < Don't get it, they're not all indie, define indie? Also I think you have to look at the context of T-Break. If this was the new stage for Connect Festival I would be major pissed, or maybe not, but what is it exactly that you want to see? As far as I'm concerned there is no original music around and there hasn't been for a few years, it's all regurgitated but I do like some of it, a new take on something old. I'd say the US has a lot more to offer at the moment but it goes in swings and roundabouts.


  69. Ill Will Says:

    May 16th, 2011 at 09:36

    My gripe isn’t with the bands themselves but I think the selection process is a pretty flawed.

    Take 2 of the bands chosen as an example.

    Example 1: The La Fontaines – I think they make terrible, terrible music but I would agree that they are 100% a band that should be playing T-Break this year. They’re up and coming, they’re getting a name for themselves. They’ve just come off a tour playing to sell out crowds in support of Twin Atlantic (who I also think are terrible), they had that Biffy Christmas mashup remix whatever you want to call it song at Xmas time which got a lot of attention from big hitters in the UK music press. Not my cup of tea but you can’t argue that they’re making waves.

    T-Break should reward and promote up and coming bands by giving them a slot at Scotland’s largest music festival right? A chance to play to lots of people (whether they’re industry or can benefit their career or not). Right?

    Ok then.

    Example 2: Boycotts – how can you consider them to be an up and coming band or a ‘ones to watch’ unsigned act that stand out from the other unsigned acts in Scotland when they have only played 1 gig in the last year and have not released any new music? I’ll hold my hands up and admit I’m wrong if they’ve played more or put out a single that I’ve missed but you can’t exactly say they’ve done much. Now is it the case that because their bass player’s sister is Aimmi Dunsmuir who manages Twin Atlantic, La Fontaines and probably has a lot of influence in big decisions in the Scottish music scene has put a word in here and that’s how they’ve got the gig?

    This isn’t a dig at Aimmi, she has a job to do and she does it very well. And this is not a dig at Boycotts either, I actually quite like some of their tunes. But you can’t honestly say that it’s right that they get to have this great opportunity over plenty of hard working, hard touring unsigned Scottish bands who put out music and are actually good just because they’re in the DF pals club.

    Have to be honest, the same thing happened last year. I seem to remember that 4 or 5 bands were either managed by Jen Anderson or had released music through her Euphonious Label, or supported acts that she managed / were on her label. Jen is one of the T-Break judges isn’t she?

    Aren’t Fatherson managed by the head of DF? Want to say Dave here but again I will hold my hands up if I’m wrong.

    My point here – why ask for bands to submit when the decision has already been made?


  70. Yourrrrrrrr right! Says:

    May 16th, 2011 at 10:37

    III WIll

    I like yer chat, and I agree. Maybe we’re just being paranoid, but I really doubt it.


  71. Fictionscoutsanonymous Says:

    May 16th, 2011 at 11:43

    “if you’re looking for people to take your comments seriously you really need to think about what you write before you hit ‘send’.”

    No idea what this means but FYI you click on ‘Submit Comment’ when you post also you sound like my old English teacher.


  72. Fictionscoutsanonymous Says:

    May 16th, 2011 at 11:49

    Brilliant! I have not heard anyone call anyone a “(k)nob end” in years. Why am I not allowed to “slag bands off”? Why am I not allowed to dislike something?


  73. Yourrrrrrrr right! Says:

    May 16th, 2011 at 13:19

    Thoughts on DF’s Summer Shytes line up anyone?

    Of course Fatherson are headlining a night. Duhhh!


  74. Fictionscoutsanonymous Says:

    May 16th, 2011 at 13:41

    Just had a look at “Summer Nights”. DFC have to appeal to the lowest common denominator in order to make money so nothing they do surprises me but this 4 bands up stairs and 1 in the bar each night for £8 sounds like a deal to me. Congrats to all the bands chosen to play!


  75. Yourrrrrrrr rong Says:

    May 16th, 2011 at 16:51

    Shame the bands are asked to sell the tix and think if they sell so many they will be forever in DF’s plans. The reality is that DF won’t really touch you until you can sell out mid sized venues.


  76. happylady Says:

    May 16th, 2011 at 19:40

    man you guys are bitchyyyy!


  77. Steve Says:

    May 16th, 2011 at 20:10

    T Break and Summer Night’s both getting slated. Chill the fuck out everyone. Hating on gigs. Do any of you even like going to any gigs? Or just slag everything off online?


  78. MR X Says:

    May 16th, 2011 at 22:20

    In terms of pushing “new music” DF don’t seem to be doing much. The summer nights line up is fairly bland in my opinion. They just seem to be chucking a selection of bands together that say they can shift about 50 tickets and hoping for a sell out. At the end of the day for DF it’s all money money money. They want upcoming acts to play tuts because it means more money for them.

    It’s not what you know it’s who you know.


  79. Colin McIntyre Says:

    May 16th, 2011 at 22:34

    @ Will: The most sensible argument yet!


  80. Little Fire Says:

    May 17th, 2011 at 03:45

    Like every year I’m looking forward to heading to the T Break stage at T in The Park. For me it’s often a lot more exciting and interesting than watching very popular bands who get paid a lot of money to go through the motions playing another festival on their very busy schedule.
    I love going to see ‘new’ bands who work hard and bust a gut to get out there and surely all the bands who have been selected to play the T Break stage will give the performance of their lives so far! I love the T Break stage I think it’s one of the most interesting and appealing stages at the festival. You just never know what might happen for the bands in years to come. Who can say they were there when Biffy played T Break for the first time? I wish I had seen them. To think of their meteoric rise to fame and it can be plotted back to the T Break Stage. It’s surely a highly inspirational point in any Scottish bands career. A big well done to all the bands who will be performing on the T Break stage this year and I’m sure they’ll all be giving it everything.

    It can’t be an easy task in selecting the bands to perform on the stage. With so much talent originating and developing in Scotland I’m sure there are many heated debates between the judges as to which bands should get the nod each year.

    My thinking is perhaps it should be the case that people who currently manage bands should not be in the position whereby they can chose their own bands to perform on the T Break Stage thereby presenting a conflict of interest. Just a thought.

    I’m really looking forward to heading along to the T Break stage this year to support the bands who were chosen and I hope everyone will get behind the bands, it’ll certainly make for an even greater atmosphere. Hope you all have a ball at T!

    Jamie McGeechan aka Little Fire


  81. Red Says:

    May 17th, 2011 at 09:04

    Why does TBreak look for 16 bands when we all know that there will be another 10plus bands added? Does this not slightly take the piss and kill any integrity connected with the entire demo submission process?


  82. Yourrrrrrrr right Says:

    May 17th, 2011 at 10:28

    I know of at least 2 bands that will be added this week. Supr + bskl ;0


  83. Anonymous Says:

    May 17th, 2011 at 12:14

    bwaniiiiiiiii


  84. This is all shite. Says:

    May 17th, 2011 at 15:16

    I’m ‘df’. At least im getting my hole. Which is more than you angry bunch of bastards. Chill the fuck out and go listen to Beyonce.


  85. Stewart Says:

    May 17th, 2011 at 19:16

    @Fictionscoutsanonymous:

    “No idea what this means but FYI you click on ‘Submit Comment’ when you post also you sound like my old English teacher.”

    perhaps you should have listened to him a bit more. jog on, ya plum.


  86. Colin McIntyre Says:

    May 18th, 2011 at 11:09

    @Little Fire… Nice comment but if i were you, look at every single judge and tell me one act that they manage that is on the bill?


  87. Little Fire Says:

    May 18th, 2011 at 15:49

    @ Colin McIntyre, Hello! Thankyou, hope you’re getting on well. I know that none of the bands performing on the T Break stage this year are being managed by any of the judges I was just making a point in general, it’s all good and I look forward to T in The Park!


  88. YorMaw IsaLova Says:

    May 18th, 2011 at 16:26

    Okay, comments!! I’ve read through the page and I want to join in.
    I have never made music in an attempt to be on T Break. I will never make music to suit other people. I create it for myself, and if it’s liked by others then I am immensely proud.

    I only listen to two of the acts listed in the T Break line up. PAWS and UNITED FRUIT. I like their music. But even if they hadn’t made this line up, I don’t believe it would have altered their path of success. It’s what you do with this experience that counts. Better bands have succeed without the T Break, bands have disappeared after their T Break break.

    I want to see more underground music alliances continue to be more inclusive. Fuck T Break, or don’t. Either way…eh…not sure where I’m going with this, just be continue what you’re doing. I just wanted my penny’s worth.


  89. Stina Says:

    May 18th, 2011 at 17:22

    @Ill Will

    Boycotts released a double single in April and played Tuts as our launch show. And gigs? We have played a little more than 1 in the last year. We took just over one month off in Jan/Feb. Last year we gigged non-stop.

    Also, I don’t think I’ve talked to Aimmi in over a year. I think she’s pretty busy with the bands she actually works with.

    BIG LOVE XX


  90. Stina Says:

    May 18th, 2011 at 17:39

    Oh and although it’s nobody’s business the reason why Boycotts had a month off was because Phillip (PAWS) were blessed with the arrival of our first born.

    Just some more ‘goss’ for you.


  91. Piet Haag Says:

    May 18th, 2011 at 17:41

    I’m very concerned by how many of the bands are smiling in their photographs. My teeth are really bad these days, and if this is a new emerging trend, well I’m really screwed and my music career will never get off the ground.

    Musicians should definitely look glum. The old guy from carnivores has got it just right, but Conquering Animal Sound are close runners up. Marrik’s shot gets an honourable mention, as whatever he’s doing to his nipples you can’t tell whether its pleasure or pain, so suitably ambiguous. Gareth, I’m not sure… he looks like he forgot his dentures that day, so maybe there is hope after all.


  92. Donald Says:

    May 18th, 2011 at 17:48

    @ Mr X

    How bitter are you? At least get your facts right. Aerials Up manage themselves and have done since long before the judging for T Break began. And Fatherson? Sure DF are looking after them, they’re a music promoter and it’s their JOB to promote music that they like and see potential in. How can you complain about this? Are you a moron?

    Anyway, congratulations to all the bands!


  93. Pete Says:

    May 18th, 2011 at 21:12

    The whole selection process is a farce. Just have a look at the comments and personal attacks above…its nothing short of a disgrace. But who’s to blame?

    The Bands? No. It is not a bands fault that they play music and that they were selected to play at T Break.

    The Judges? No they are clearly just doing the jobs asked of them

    However, I do find a slight fault in Billy Hamilton’s blog “A Judges Perspective” were he admittedly writes on how the panel did bring their own musical leanings but they were quickly phased out.

    In a totally and completely fair democratic voting system, namely one made up of a general public vote, there would be no favouritisms, musical leanings or subjective stances from the day the competition was announced. There really is no denying this point.

    There is only one party that can be blamed and that is the organizers. How can they expect 13 judges to speak for over a 1,000 bands from every corner of Scotland without a whisper of fix? The sooner that this competition is put to a public vote the better. For several years the whole process has been questioned yet they continue to run it in the exact same way. It was eventually going to explode at one point. T Break is by no means a bad thing as it’s an opportunity for true talent to shine and with no disrespect to the judges as they clearly had a tough job on their hands…the selection process is well past its sell by date and desperately needs changed for future years.


  94. Ill Will Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 09:20

    Have to disagree with you there Pete. Whilst the judging system is flawed, I think a public vote would make things even worse.

    Naming no names here but I know of a band who won a prestigious support slot (at the time, going back a few years here) at a Rock Against Racism gig as a result of a public vote. The frontman of the band sat at home and made up over 2000 fake email addresses and voted for his own band in order to win the contest.

    Stina, I do apologise and congratulations.

    With regards to Billy Hamilton’s blog – obviously you’d want to stand up for yourself and explain when someone labels you as corrupt, but surely as a T-Break judge, you know this stuff is going to happen? Bands get their hopes up (probably because they’ve sold over 100 tickets at various tuts gigs) and when they don’t get chosen, they’re obviously going to point the finger at the judges and feel bitter.

    The way I read Billy’s post, he makes it out that all 16 bands were chosen purely off the back of their demo submissions. You surely can’t expect us to believe that? The bands you put forward – you’ve never seen them live? That hasn’t swayed the decision for you?

    DF concerts run T in the Park, they book the bands for all the main stages, they totally have the right to choose who plays the T-Break stage. It’s their festival! So why not get rid of this false submission process? It gives bands false hope when really they had no chance of getting through.

    You guys at DF and in the judging panel keep an eye on the bands you like throughout the year, you discuss it amongst the rest of the people on the panel and then you invite the final 16 bands to play at YOUR festival. It’s pretty much the way it’s going now from what I see but without the demo submission process, but at least everyone would know the score.


  95. Chops Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 10:54

    YAWNNNNN!!! Time for a complete judging panel overhaul I reckon.


  96. dave boycotts Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 11:59

    Got told last night about the Dunsmuir influence on this and had to see it to believe it. Yet just another example of people not getting there mouthing of stupid assumptions. My sister has spent the whole of this year preparing for two major band album launches and was just as surprised as I was when I told her the news. Where did you get the idea that we’ve only played one gig this year as well?
    My band work very hard at what we do and I don’t think that all deserve to be belittled by some bitter blogger because of my last name.

    Spend more time trying to succeed at what you want to do and less time on facebook working out who is related to who.

    Oh and btw, I’m pumpin the Rev. Ian Paisley if anybodies interested.


  97. Big Stevie Little Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 12:03

    Yeah, yeah, yer sister rigged it mate and now you plead innocence. I think you more than deserve to be belittled.


  98. Chops Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 12:11

    Reading Billys blog it’s clear that “…the panel did bring their own musical leanings” as Lady North were selected – how many articles and interviews has he written about Lady North, prior to the submissions for T Break even opening? I believe it to be completely untrue that “their own musical leanings” were “quickly phased out.”


  99. Pete Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 13:13

    @Will Yes a nice counter argument there. For a public vote how can you prevent bands from making up 2000 email addresses and using them to submit votes? An email voting system may not work as the point you made is valid and will most likely happen amongst all bands.

    However, facebook is increasingly becoming a popular online tool, and now that an online poll can be set up in a matter of seconds this method can surely not be ruled out. Again, you may say “whats preventing someone creating 2000 email addresses and 2000 new facebook profiles so that they can win a public vote?”…Nothing sadly. Please, correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure a voting system can be set up dependant on users IP addresses too. Who has access to 2000 computers? I don’t really see Stevey Jobs or Billy Gates taking the time out to vote for Take A Worm For A Walk Week to play T Break 2012 and I also reckon the computer hacking geniuses amongst us would soon be found out when “Johnny Jo and the Giro Cheques fae” Greenock were announced for having 2000 more votes than everyone else.

    Moving on from this, another option would be to give the voting to revellers that attend TITP every year, as it is their hard earned money that goes towards making the festival happen after all . An option could be made available at the checkout stages when purchasing tickets “5 minutes of your time – select your top 3 unsigned Scottish bands to play the T Break Stage this year”. The geographical issue wouldn’t even crop up because, lets face it, the people that go to TITP are from all over Scotland not just the central belt. They are obviously going to choose acts from their own region but at the same time choose acts that have bothered visiting their own respective towns in Scotland.

    This would surely also prevent the tent from lying half empty at the back of a muddy field for the whole weekend as it usually does year after year, and also encourage bands to get out there and play more gigs, put on impressive live shows, win fans and generally get better.

    I do agree with the point about you mentioned about Billy Hamiltons blog though “What ensued was a series of open discussions about why bands should or shouldn’t be chosen. Surprisingly, there was no set criteria”

    A submission process based on 3 demo’s uploaded to a myspace or equivalent. No mention of how many fans the band had on facebook/myspace. No mention of how often the band had played since last years T Break. No band biography submitted. No mention of how long the band had been together. No mention of how the band performed on live stage.

    The above are all things that bands work bloody hard to achieve, and being in a band is indeed a hobby which many do for the love of music, but at the end of the day, the early stages of being in a band costs not only time but a lot of money. Touring, hiring vans, buying instruments, strings and drum sticks, rehearsing…the list is nearly endless.

    You’ve played in a band for 6 years got 2,000 fans, spent thousands of pounds yet you are pipped to the post by another band that has 300 fans and has been together for 6 months? And you expect people to not get annoyed, suck it up and congratulate those who won?

    If you take it in a different context and take music out of the equation – You work at a job for 5 years for a promotion, but the promotion is given to someone else who has been in the exact same job and has been there for a year. Are you going to be happy for that person? Shake his hand and congratulate him? I really dont think so.

    As many people have also said above who cares, its T Break, there are better things out there etc Yes that is 100% true. But who are you to shit someone’s parade and tell them to suck it up? It is some bands dreams to play T Break – They’ve been going to the festival for years, seen their favourite bands there and the competition makes it seem as if everyone is in with a chance. But if the selection process remains the same then its only ever going to end with everyone shitting on each others parades. People not happy that certain bands are in and people not happy with the moaners.

    I really don’t think DF should pick the stage as it would the just be the same as any other stage at the festival but as I have said above, there are most definitely different and far more fair methods of selection.


  100. dave boycotts Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 13:44

    Ach well I’ve said my bit. I’m not rising to this. Have fun boys!


  101. Big Stevie Little Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 13:55

    @ Dave Boycotts

    I’m not in a band, so i’m looking at it all from an objective view, and it looks from here like you guys got a helping hand. Definitely wasn’t because you write good music, but i guess that’s my own opinion.


  102. Graham Boycotts Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 15:00

    Hello, Graham from Boycotts here. Right listen Stevie and Will, Aimmi has had nothing to do with any of the success our band has been enjoying recently; we have our music, ourselves and our wonderful manager Tam to thank for that, so you can put your hysterical wee conspiracy theory to sleep. I know further discussion of this subject won’t change anything (we’re still going to play T Break) but slandering, conjecturing and straight up lying about a band you’ve never even seen out of spite and petty jealousy is pathetic and needs addressing.


  103. Big Stevie Little Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 16:01

    @ Graham

    Nope, it’s because you’re crap (i have seen you – seems rather counter productive of you to be basing your own argument on conjecture, no?), and because the whole selection process is suspect to say the least.

    Also, you seem to – yet again – be making your own argument obsolete because you too are coming up with “wee conspiracy theories” about why it is we are questioning some of the bands on the list.

    In the meantime i’ll run your suggestions by my therapist and hopefully he can address them. IN the same regard, if you could speak to your manager and ask him not to let you play pish music and have your sister wipe your arse, that could also help?


  104. Graham Boycotts Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 16:33

    Ouch. If all this belligerence isn’t stemmed from jealousy then why? What’s the point in spouting made up shite? Why the chip on the shoulder? If you’ve a legitimate point to make by all means make it, but you’re just hitting out with sour snipey hurtful drivel, apparently for the sake of it: typical behaviour of a jealous brat, so please forgive me for coming to that conclusion.


  105. Graham Boycotts Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 16:44

    Oh, and where and when did you see us Stevie? Just out of curiosity.


  106. Chops Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 16:47

    Afraid Graham I have to agree with Big Stevie, your band are shite. I saw yous play a couple of years back to an empty room and was very, very bored. Of all the bands listed you deserve a place the least, based on your songs and performance ability. Just my opinion. I’m also not in a band, in case you think this is borne from bitterness. I don’t really care about the line up, I just think it’s wrong when people get ahead because of who they know.


  107. Graham Boycotts Says:

    May 19th, 2011 at 17:09

    Opinions are opinions Chops, not everyone will like us; I can deal with that, but we have worked like fuck to get to where we are at the moment. Agreed there are certain paths that need to be followed to progress in the music industry that don’t always have the integrity of music as priority, but that’s just the way it is. It’s all this “Just a word in DF’s ear” bullshit that pisses me right off. We have worked like motherfuckers and feel we have done enough to deserve our slot at T Break.


  108. Ill Will Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 09:12

    Graham, I think you’ve taken my comments out of context here as I used Boycotts in my arguement as an example. I could have said the same thing about a few other bands on the bill.

    I saw your band play The Mill show at Cab Vol and I enjoyed it. This isn’t an attack on you or your band. This was a grumble about the judging process.

    Now both Stina and David from your band countered my comments and I held my hands up and apologised for getting a few things wrong, but you’ve just proved me right one thing – yes, you might not have had a helping hand from David’s sister Aimmi. I’m not sure who your manager Tam is, but a band of your size doesn’t slip onto the bill at a sold out Barrowlands show supporting Two Door Cinema Club, so whoever Tam may be, he’s obviously pulling the right strings with the right people. For a band who plays fuck all shows – aye, alright, you’ve done a few but your singer just admitted she’s just recently had a baby (congrats by the way), so you’ve just admitted there that you’ve been out of the game for months – to walk straight into a gig that young scottish bands can only dream of AAAAAAANNNDDD get T-Break in as many months: you’re getting help from somewhere.

    You can’t honestly think that the judges picked your band solely off the back of your demo like Billy suggested on his blog?

    If you think you’re band is hard working mate, you are deluded! Play some more shows and release some records.


  109. Jim Gellatly Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 09:54

    Just to say… I never even knew David & Aimmi were related… and it was certainly never brought up – so pretty much a non starter in terms of conspiracies. As for Tam… he knows a LOT of people and has been in the business for a LONG time. Seems to me he’s doing what any good manager should be doing, and looks like jealousy about the TDCC support. As for a public vote for T Break. That is really silly. Fair enough if everybody voting listened to all entries, and made their decision… but that ain’t going to happen.


  110. Ill Will Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 10:17

    Hi Jim,

    Of course jealousy comes into it! Nothing to do with TDCC, it’s to do with playing the BARROWLANDS! Surely you of all people have been around bands long enough to know that every band in Scotland aspires to play there one day?

    Not going to pretend I’m not envious of Boycotts for getting to play there.

    And I’m sure Tam is a very good manager, and he should be doing these things for his band, not questioning that. What I’m debating is whether whoever manages any of the bands has an influence with the judges and if that’s the case with several of the bands – WHY BOTHER HAVING BANDS SUBMIT DEMOS?

    Take your picks for example Jim. I’m not suggesting that band managers have been whispering in your ear, but surely you didn’t choose your bands off the back of hearing their demo alone? You must have seen the bands live, or hung out with them or played/interviewed them on your podcasts? You picked your choices because they’re your favourite bands at the moment. I’m guessing you would have put them forward to the T-Break discussion group without having their demo handed to you as part of the selection process.

    Maybe a band sold a good few hundred tickets at Tuts and Craig Johnstone likes them therefore he puts them forward. Maybe a band is signed to Jen Anderson’s label, she wants to promote them at T, therefore she puts them forward. Maybe you Jim just like a band and go to see them at gigs a lot, you put them forward. These decisions are all based on the personal experience of the Judges, nothing to do with submitting a 3 track demo so why not just say you guys make the decision and everyone else should just deal with it? I’d actually be happy with that. At least it’s honest.

    As Pete mentioned, a lot of people who play in bands in Scotland go to T in the Park, they’d love to play there. T-break gives them false hope of playing a stage that they were never going to reach because nobody on the judging panel has any favouritism towards them and submitting a demo no matter how good it is, is not going to make a bit of difference.


  111. Jim Gellatly Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 10:39

    @Ill Will For starters, I’ve always said that a band with a higher profile has a better chance. Indeed that was why I pointed folk in the direction of the list of judges and hinted that it wouldn’t do any harm to make sure they were aware of you. A manager wouldn’t be doing his/her job if industry people weren’t aware of the act, so to say that good management might give a band an advantage… of course it does! Not worth submitting then? RUBBISH! EVERY submission is listened to, so of course it’s worthwhile! I’ve already featured bands I first found about during the selection process, and a lot of them didn’t even make the final 16. You name names and vested interests… NONE of that is true.


  112. Chops Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 10:47

    I don’t think having a high profile really makes much odds, it’s mates who matter from what I’ve been told. I’m aware of a few bands who’ve submitted, with considerably higher profiles than any of the bands chosen who’ve never had a look in. I’ve also been told on good authority that a certain Scottish DJ called a band last year to strongly suggest they sign up to Sonicbids and submit to a different but equally well known Scottish festival as it was the only ‘legitimate’ way they could be selected – I find this extremely worrying seeing as it costs money to enter that competition…isn’t that fraud, or something?


  113. Chops Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 10:54

    I guess the point I’m making is that people know from the bands who are picked that it’s not a fair selection process, and it IS who you know. As the friend of a few selected acts for various Scottish festivals (over a few years!) I’m happy for them and I’m not going to “shop” my mates -that said, they know I think it’s very wrong. I’ve also suggested they enter festivals out with Scotland to see if they get anywhere without a helping hand, so far there haven’t been any successful entries south of the border.


  114. Jim Gellatly Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 11:13

    @chops I’m saying profile HELPS… It’s only one part of why a band would be selected. I’m guessing the SonicBids reference is to do with GoNorth? The DJ would be quite justified in saying that, since SonicBids is how you apply for that festival!


  115. Chops Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 11:17

    Not really, the band had been selected without entering, I thought the point was that bands couldn’t play unless they entered – coercing a band into entering to ensure them a place over all the other legitimate entries is very wrong, and I think you know that.


  116. Jim Gellatly Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 11:30

    In that case @chops, it is indeed very wrong. WE AGREE!


  117. Mr X Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 11:34

    If you’re so confident that EVERY demo is listened to Jim then why don’t you recommend us 20 bands from the thousand odd entries for everyone to check out.

    Also is it not a bit strange how the selection of bands and artists are solely based around the central belt? I know for a fact that there are plenty of good bands north of Stirling. Why were they missed from the final selection?

    Also to GrahamBoycott, how would you consider you band to be hard working? Extensive touring? recording singles/eps/albums? Let the people know of your hard work.

    The line up as a whole looks well and truely half baked this year. A sad final bow out for T.


  118. Chops Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 11:58

    …if the DJ was so justified, why were the band in question told not to say anything? I think for a festival that makes artists PAY to enter, selecting acts who haven’t submitted is beyond wrong, I’d argue it’s fraudulent. If the bands are already chosen, what is the point in setting up a competition if it’s not to make money? Money which doesn’t go back to the artist, seeing as they don’t get paid for playing.

    The only reason these competitions exist (out with making money where possible) is to conceal the fact that a large clique of people control the Scottish music industry. If you aren’t ‘in’ with them or you don’t fit into their tastes, you might as well stop doing what you’re doing and start making fashionable music or you’ll never get anywhere – in Scotland – I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but a lot of these hype bands don’t have much going for them outside Scotland.

    Why not just be honest and stop all the competition crap altogether – you already know who you’re going to pick, so why create the illusion that sending in a demo actually matters?


  119. Chops Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 12:14

    A good point there, where is their past and upcoming touring schedule? Why haven’t they managed to secure a booking agent? They’ve had support from Sony and still no real success to speak of; how long should one flog a dead horse for? Why are bands like this still receiving support when it’s clear it’s just not going to happen for them? I applaud their perseverance, but question their lack of insight.

    It’s not just them though, CTA are just diar, they’ve had a number of good slots (in Scotland), but still no real success, just a few good friends in the industry. They’ve been on the go for over four years and their profile is practically non-existant.

    Another band – who shall not be named – have a member is in a relationship with a university lecturer (very naughty indeed) – said lecturer is bestest buddies with a very influential music ‘journalist’ and events booker – who happens to be a panel member / judge for several large Scottish events. The selection of this band immediately looked suspect to me.

    It is too easy to see why ‘artists’ have been chosen. TBreak is certainly not all about the music. I reiterate my previous point – stop all the competition crap – it’s completely transparent! Just pick who you want and have the balls to tell everyone else unless they start licking your arse they ain’t got a look in.


  120. mikeinfected Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 12:32

    excellent, love how all of these people are slagging off the very people who could actually help their band (ie the judges), whilst moaning about not knowing the people in the know. Maybe we’ll see self-immolation in protest at Balado this year ?

    I think this panel is very strong (as they know the Scottish scene and make a “living” (as much as you can in music these days) from having an opinion and knowing more than you and I most of the time) and as a result maybe, maybe a few more A+R men and women will actually grace the T Break stage this year as a result. That’s good for Scotland. And Scottish bands. At a time when there are a hell of a lot of really good bands here. Saying Nick Knowles and The Knobheads should have played so the selection is flawed is a rubbish argument. Rubbish.

    Look it’s all semantics anyways (sorta), there are bands you like, there are bands the panel liked. I’m sure the panel don’t even agree on these selections, that’s what makes music so bloody marvellous in the first place. It’s good to be passionate about things, it does matter but c’mon peeps to slag off bands because they know people comes across at jealousy. To say a band shouldn’t make the festival because they’ve managed to grow their fanbase/profile is risible. Ridiculous.

    If you’re smart you’ll write a comment asking if the judges will listen to your (/your friend’s band) here and become one of those bands. Think, for goodness sake. Help yourselves, instead of bitching about not getting any help. These people can help your band, slagging them off ain’t gonna help now is it ?

    And what the heck is the slagging of the Central Belt about ? It’s (a) a coincidence and (b) a good thing. Bands from outside Glasgow and Edinburgh get far, far more attention on the whole, so maybe it’s good to give these guys a leg up, even though I’m sure that was never the intention. Do you want the panel to put through a band from each area ? If so, then it’s a glorified battle of the bands and there’s nothing (nothing) worse. Nothing, hell is better.

    At the end of the day, I’m sure there were a multitude of reasons for these bands being picked (I think otherpeople are great myself and would have voted for them probably). I won’t like all of ‘em (tend to spend a bit of time at T break when I go) but that’s diversity for you.

    And if you think you’re better than these bands, show it. Be better, prove you’re better. All of us want to hear great music, especially (yep, especially) these judges.

    Anyways, blah blah.


  121. dave boycotts Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 12:33

    We’ve got a booking agent.
    He’s brilliant.
    He’s got us playing sound city in liverpool tomorrow.
    I’ll tell you how it goes.


  122. Ill Will Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 12:39

    Well in Chops, that’s exactly the point.

    Although in Go North’s defence – a band I used to play in applied for Go North 2 years ago and when we didn’t get through, they refunded our application fee.

    Still charging bands to apply for gigs is a disgrace and Sonicbids is a joke. Go North shouldn’t have anything to do with a company like that. Give T-Break their dues, at least you don’t have to pay to submit.

    Regardless of this fact, as you say – the decision’s been made already.


  123. Mr X Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 12:41

    That’s good Dave, another piece of hardwork to add to your list of things we worked fucking hard at this year. Will it be better than everything else you’ve done?


  124. dave boycotts Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 12:43

    Hope so ;-)


  125. Pete Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 13:00

    Totally mental arguments on here…if everyone voting listened to all entries? There would be 1000 bands entries system. If the bands could be bothered to start campaigns which they undoubtedly would, it would be open campaigns for the bands to play. The bands with wide fan bases through touring and being generally decent bands would obviously get more votes would they not?

    Even if a system like this was coupled with a judging panels decision it would still maybe make the process a bit more pleasant for everyone.


  126. Pete Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 13:01

    I meant there would be NO 1000 bands entries system


  127. Fatherson Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 13:06

    We’re currently sitting in Hidden Lane Tearoom enjoying some chai lattés (skinny, obviously). While sitting around we decided to google ourselves out of vanity.

    To our shock and horror we found this article – what a read it has proved to be!

    We actually despite DF and all of the judges involved with T Break, therefore we can only assume that we were selected for our superior song-writing, accomplished musicianship and all-ground greatness.

    To all the haters – kill yerselves. We’re going to be around forever singing about boats and rivers and there’s NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!

    BOYZ BOYZ BOYZ!


  128. Fatherson Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 13:06

    Despite = Despise. All that caffeine went to my trendy fingers!


  129. Chops Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 13:07

    A gig in Liverpool isn’t a tour, it’s a gig in Liverpool. I’d be interested in attendance figures, if they’re anything like your Scottish figures I’ll understand why you don’t actually have a booking agent, you have a manager who books gigs, massive difference. When is your next tour? By tour I doesn’t mean 10 dates in Scotland.

    @Mikeinfected

    “To say a band shouldn’t make the festival because they’ve managed to grow their fanbase/profile is risible. Ridiculous.”

    As I said before, many of these bands have been going for a while (in some cases a long while) and have no real profile to speak of, so further championing makes little sense. The real question they and the judges should be asking before honouring whispers in the ear is; why have they failed to build a decent profile?

    “…maybe a few more A+R men and women will actually grace the T Break stage this year as a result. That’s good for Scotland. And Scottish bands.”

    Highly unlikely, the reality of TBreak is that often it’s not very well attended. Aside from that, can you name any bands who have bolstered their profile off the back of TBreak? Can you name any bands who have had true success, i.e success not measured by how many times radar scotland have gushed about you, or how many times Jim Gellatly will has played your song or how many times Scotland’s very own NME (the Skinny) have featured you? Because none of this means anything outside Scotland, it really, really doesn’t.

    @illwill – to my knowledge they did refund in previous years, but from what I’ve been told they aren’t refunding this year. Frauds ahoy! That said, the line up for GoNorth is possibly worse than Tbreak this year.


  130. mikeinfected Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 15:24

    @ Chops

    The first point may be a good one, can’t claim to have the knowledge of the Scottish music scene as much as I’d like to as yet (like to but not as yet). And afraid looking back my post was a tad general but just thought that people having a pop at the judges was a tad puerile. And having a pop at the bands because they’d been chosen was even sillier.

    Actually work in press, spent 15 years in London doing so (came back to Scotland last year) and have sat when it was a tent with A+R people (from London and the Scots reps). So I’d go with…yes. Anything helps, having seen how bands do get signed (although not many are at the moment) it could be anything that lights that touchpaper. Even if bands are doing it for theirselves the chance to play in front of more people and raise their profile/increase their fanbase is a good one, non ? Surely it’s, to an extent, up to the bands what they gain from the experience, depending on how much work they do to ensure that the day is a success beforehand (if even Jim or one journalist goes to see a band they hadn’t before that’s one more supporter surely – one play, one review they wouldn’t have had otherwise)? And hey if it didn’t matter why are we talking about it ?

    Playing T break in and of itself may not suddenly make you a millionaire or get anyone a deal (hell record companies aren’t really signing anyways) but it can’t hinder surely ? And I think you’re being a tad unfair to Radar, Jim, The Skinny et al there – they all help raise profile of acts and do a fantastic job promoting (often unsigned) Scottish music. Without them (and others like Ally, Vic, The List and the Scots newspapers et al) it would be a hell of a lot more difficult, have you tried getting a review in the NME or the Guardian or a play on Radio One for a new (/”unsigned”) Scots band recently ?

    Not having a pop though, get your point sorta here but really, having a pop at the people who aren’t the enemy (and are trying to help new Scottish acts as much as they can) isn’t terribly clever or fair.


  131. mikeinfected Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 15:25

    PS Not saying you are, just some have.


  132. Chops Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 16:00

    I think the hype around Tbreak is far too much for the amount it does for a bands profile in reality. It doesn’t do a massive amount for their profile in Scotland, it does even less out with Scotland.

    The issue I and many, many others have with the likes of Radar, the Skinny, Ally, Vic et al is that they are all connected in making the decisions about who gets the most exposure in Scottish music.

    I could draw a map of how the majority of these so called impartial journalists are connected – and demonstrate how they support just a fraction of the bands in Scotland – signed and unsigned. If Jim doesn’t like you, forget about radio, if Olaf Furniss isn’t into your band, forget about Radar, if the Skinny and the List don’t like you then what mainstream press coverage can be attained in Scotland?

    I know (off the top of my head) of two Scottish bands who have been signed to London labels in the last couple of years who were completely ignored in Scotland. Through their labels both artists had PR campaigns which went extremely well for them in England and Europe – and occasionally further afield – they both fared very well in national magazines and papers (including the NME and the Guardian) – but not a peep from any of the so-called Scottish music gurus. Both those bands have already or are about to tour across Europe and the States, a lot to be said for the judgement of the Scottish journos who ignored them because they didn’t fit in to their idea of how music should look and sound. But that’s just the opinion of a music fan who works in PR.

    This is nothing new though, for how many years have Scottish bands been moving to London (or indeed just England) because they know it can’t happen in Scotland if you’re not in the “in” crowd? A long, long time. And so it continues.

    I’m not having a pop at all, I just question Scottish music journalists / panelists etc ability to see a bands merit out with Scotland.


  133. Anonymous Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 16:37

    LAME.


  134. Graham Boycotts Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 17:03

    Chops, this is just the status quo of the music industry in Scotland. Either deal with it, or actually begin to do something about it, throw up an idea or two. You’re certainly not changing anything by posting bitter ramblings on pop cop all day long.


  135. Chops Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 17:55

    So you’re happy to admit that unabashed nepotism is the status quo in the Scottish music industry?

    As I said before, I’m not bitter, I’ve absolutely nothing to be bitter about! Just an observation from someone who has stopped paying much attention to anything the mainstream Scottish music press has to say.

    Perhaps you don’t think I am changing anything, but that’s not strictly true is it? I’m encouraging debate, and debate is healthy. Debate can lead the way to change.

    I did suggest that honesty be employed by the organisers of Tbreak and they just do away with the (dishonest) competition element. They already have bands in mind, so why bother asking for submissions? It’s obviously all crap, I don’t know why they persist. Just pick the scene bands you’ve been bumming all year, be honest about it and we can take it from there.

    If they want to persist with this totally skewed and nonsensical submissions system, why not try changing the judging panel line up each year? Instead of the same faces year-in-year-out?

    This aside, change clearly is not in the best interests of your band, because if there were to be radical overhaul, abolishing or in some way disempowering the cliques that control the industry in Scotland your band would be buggered for gigs. Except in Liverpool, of course, where I believe you are touring?

    I doubt you’d refer to my posts as “bitter ramblings” if I wasn’t of the opinion that your band are just terrible and really don’t do enough to warrant calling yourselves hard-working. If I said I thought your band were splendid and the only lot here who deserve any attention I’d bet my life you wouldn’t have said anything.


  136. Graham Boycotts Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 19:15

    Your opinion of my band is founded on hearsay, conjecture and assumptions. For instance you’re stating as fact, that we don’t have a separate booker when we definitely do. You know nothing about us. I mean, You have only been to see us once and it was years ago, when we first began.

    If there is chronyism in the music industry, it’s not the musicians’ fault. None of these selected bands are to blame. You’re quite right though, all other arguments you’ve put across have been done so reasonably objectively, but you have been very unfair in your criticism of my band so naturally I’m going to defend it.


  137. Fathersonband Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 19:56

    The previous comment apparently posted by “Fatherson” was not a post made by us. It is a “humorous” apparently, imitation of us.

    Fatherson


  138. Fatherson Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 19:59

    Just kidding, aye it was us.

    The Mighty Fatherson


  139. Jim Gellatly Says:

    May 20th, 2011 at 22:33

    @Mr X “If you’re so confident that EVERY demo is listened to Jim then why don’t you recommend us 20 bands from the thousand odd entries for everyone to check out.” That’s something a do on a weekly basis if you listened to my podcasts and radio shows. Feel free not to believe me, but what gives you the idea every entry ISN’T listened to?


  140. mr x Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 00:16

    i didn’t ask you to plug your podcast jim, i asked you to recommend some new bands from t break submissions. If your so confident that all entries were listened to then i can’t see it being a problem.
    Also Grahamboycott- what hard work has your band done this year?


  141. fin Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 02:12

    this is quite honestly mental. Jim is not “plugging his podcast”. He quite rightly has said that he plays bands that he’s heard through the process on his shows and that is definitely true if you’ve listened to it. If you feel bad enough to comment on the judges then im assuming you must actually listen to what they do as well mr x (good pseudonym by the way, its good to see a heated debate between people who are ballsy enough to post from their real names and bitter people who clearly fear repercussions from what they’re saying). I don’t claim to know everything about the process but I know it’s defintely a back and forth from very different individuals picking who they believe would benefit most from their selections. A public voting based system is simply ludicrous, far too easily fixed by someone that knows how which has been proved in many situations. Also, to whoever is moaning about bands and especially Boycotts being linked to whoever, if your band is good enough you’ll obviously build up contacts who are involved in things like this. Not just T Break but you’ll start to book good shows because that’s how the ladder works. It is definitely not a personal thing, it’s through a combination of hard work and talent. I used to go to DF gigs almost weekly and see Biffy Clyro great bands and not once did i hear “aw they’re obviously just getting this because they’re pals with such and such”, quite rightly people realised they were good and hence people were giving them a chance (also T Break at one stage i’m sure?).

    Before the announcement i was sure of quite a few bands that were playing, some were actually managed by members of the panel and they didn’t end up playing so how does that fit into the theory of the panel picking just whoever they’re involved with?

    Boycotts in particular seem to be getting picked on here and whatever you think of their music (their new stuff i quite like by the way, without being a fan of that style of music) they play a lot and have built themselves up over a number of years. I don’t know the ins and outs of their barrowlands show but what the fuck does it matter who recommended them for it? Again, whoever did knows them because they like them, noone at any big booking agent is professionally booking bands they believe to be shite but know someone through. It’s bad business/reputation for them and for the band, im sure they went down well and hence ive not seen many reviews stating they didnt fit in on that bill.

    For christ sake, wind yer necks in and take it for what it is, if you don’t like the bands, don’t go see them. If your band wasn’t picked i’m 99 percent sure it’s because you’re not a good fit for the festival or ready to play this time round. If your pals band wasn’t picked then the same.

    The competition part of it definitely lets any bands music be heard by at least a couple of very important people in the scottish music industry, if they didn’t like it or pick up on it then it wasn’t for the individual that got it, luck of the draw so try again next year. I’m also sure that it lets some bands get heard and they do achieve something for it, it’s hardly a bad thing.

    Anyway, drunken rant over. It’s just actually unreal how ridiculous this is getting.


  142. fin Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 02:16

    *see biffy clyro SUPPORT


  143. Chops Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 09:50

    I understand you wanting to defend your band, but to suggest that my comments are based on “hearsay, conjecture and assumptions” is just untrue. I’ve seen your band live, it might have been a while ago, so perhaps you have improved, but that’s just conjecture, based on hearsay, hearsay which is of course an assumption.

    That aside, I’ve checked out your Facebook page in the past, and decided to revisit after seeing the Tbreak lineup announcement, and I still don’t understand why you’re there. Your tunes, new or old are about as generic as it gets and your gig schedule for the year is practically non-existant, aside from the extensive Liverpool tour, which I commend. Your Facebook wall also reads like a ‘how to’ for name-droppers. I can understand why other bands who possibly (this is actual conjecture) have bigger profiles and better songs would be miffed at seeing your selection. Perhaps you think I’m picking on you, but you joined in the discussion early on, you invited further conversation. You also don’t have to bite.

    @Fin – “he competition part of it definitely lets any bands music be heard by at least a couple of very important people in the scottish music industry, if they didn’t like it or pick up on it then it wasn’t for the individual that got it, luck of the draw so try again next year.”

    What’s to say that year-on-year the same judge won’t receive a submission from a band he’s “not picked up on” and therefore bin said demo? This is why I think reshuffling the judging panel annually makes more sense. Having the same people decide who gets a shot every year is dull and predictable.

    If a panelist happens to manage a band who are selected they should be prepared for completely justified questions as to why that selection was made – there will be a lot of people out there will want further explanation.

    Judges can avoid this by not allowing bands managed by panelists or who are directly related to panelists to be eligible for selection. Alternatively step down as a judge. Most competitions are run this way, just read T’s and C’s of any competition – employees and relatives of x company are not eligible to enter – the Tbreak competition should be run the same.

    I’d also like to point out that Biffy Clyro getting anywhere is a pretty exceptional thing, there’s not many Scottish bands doing that well. That said, they’ve influenced the sound of a massive number of bands in Scotland, which is why most of the music being made in Scotland sounds like a piss-poor version of the stuff Biffy used to write back when they were apparently good – personally I’ve always thought they were nothing special – this is an opinion built on me having bought all their records and not enjoyed any of them, but wanted to give them a chance anyway. I’ve also seen them four times, and was bored shitless every time.

    But my opinion on Biffy doesn’t matter, they’re stinking rich and everyone in Scotland wants to recreate their music, life is obviously good for them. It’s just a shame Mike Vennart from the absolutely astounding Oceansize has ended up playing guitar for them, such a waste of an infinitely more talented songwriter.

    I digress. I used to listened to Jim’s show all the time, but again, this was because I wanted to give new music a chance, but it got to the point where I just could not handle on more contrived Scottish accent with a jangly almost-in-tune Telecaster relentlessly bashing away behind it. I just stopped listening. I find Jim Gellatlys taste in music to be quite limited, and I’m sure I’m inviting all sorts of rants backing up JG, but again this is just my opinion and I feel entitled to express it. Jim is in a massive position of power therefore should expect criticism, both positive and negative.

    @Fin “noone at any big booking agent is professionally booking bands they believe to be shite but know someone through. It’s bad business/reputation for them and for the band.”

    No, but people at booking agencies are capable of poor judgement, and if this band were so good, why haven’t they toured anywhere except Liverpool in their time together? Why haven’t they toured with any other bands on their booking agents roster, as a lot of bands do? Perhaps because of poor judgement. Maybe the booking agency tried for them, but couldn’t manage because a lot of people think their music is shite? Again, this is conjecture, and Boycotts feel free to jump in and answer the question a lot of people have been asking – why haven’t you toured yet? Where is your gig roster? Putting the Liverpool tour aside, how can you feel you deserve all the backing you receive from Scottish industry types after playing only a handful of gigs in as many months?


  144. jamie keenan Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 10:12

    here,who gies a fuck.whit ye’s goin to dae aboot it. t in the park is about gittin eccies n beyonce


  145. Jim Gellatly Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 10:15

    @chops “I find Jim Gellatlys taste in music to be quite limited, and I’m sure I’m inviting all sorts of rants backing up JG, but again this is just my opinion and I feel entitled to express it.” You’re total entitled to have that opinion… though tastes that range from blatant commercial pop to hardcore aren’t particularly limited. All I’ve ever tried to do is big up the Scottish scene and bands. If anything the main criticism I get is that I’m too nice about bands. It maybe looks that way because I’d rather big folk up than knock them down. I just don’t tend to cover the bands I don’t rate… though I have been converted on more than one occasion. As for naming 20 bands, I’m not sure what purpose that would serve. At least 70% of the acts I feature on my podcast applied to play T Break, so I could easily name more than 20. Whereas there are a couple of bands in the 16 that I wouldn’t personally have chosen that other judges had a real passion about. That’s why you have a panel… you get a mix of opinions. Also, the judges do change each year, though there are some whove been on it for a while. I’d love to see the thread on Pop Cop following the results of a public vote.


  146. Chops Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 10:39

    @Jim Some of the judges change each year, but not the whole panel, and I do think that some people have been sitting on it for far too long.

    While I appreciate your tastes may range from “blatant commercial pop to hardcore”, the choices played on your podcast (and back when I used to listen to your shows religiously) ended up being very samey, which is why I switched off.

    I like a lot, and I mean a lot of different music, but I know that there’s only a couple of genres that really do it for me, and so I listen to one or two genres more than those at the other end of my taste spectrum. I think as a DJ its part of your job not to do this, I think your shows should be more balanced. Maybe you’re worried about pissing people off and losing listeners, but maybe you’ll win new and old fans back by showcasing a more versatile range of music. You used to do it, what changed?

    I also think it’s bad that if Scottish music journalists don’t like something, they’ll just ignore it. A lot of people have been bemoaning the fact that they don’t get enough feedback about why their songs are not played or why they haven’t been selected etc, but I think if no-one s saying why, then they’ll always be asking these questions.

    I’m sure the cut and paste response to this would be that you don’t have time to give feeedback to everyone – but perhaps just to a few of those who almost made it, but didn’t quite it’d be appreciated? Perhaps to those who are truly awful a few words explaining why you think they’re so bad? So if a band keep sending you demos and keep entering tbreak etc and keep getting knocked back with no explanation why, don’t you think feedback instead of completely ignoring them would be more helpful?


  147. fin Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 10:42

    that’s what i was just about to say, the judges clearly do change every year which is reflected in the selection year by year.

    @chops are there bands that were picked who have managers in the panel because i only know of bands that weren’t picked that had managers in the panel.

    Also, i don’t want to be sitting backing up boycotts all the time here but i don’t really understand your point with touring. Quite honestly getting a support tour with a major band when you’re unsigned is fucking murder even if you do have quite a bit of help. Unless a band is feeling very generous they will hesitate to take an unknown band out with them as it doesn’t really benefit them as much as having a signed support and a local support at each show.

    I also don’t even know if they have toured before, i’m just saying that opinion doesn’t make any sense. We get it, you don’t like them, other people do. It’s the same for all the bands i’d imagine except other people don’t feel the need to go on about it at length on a comment section of a harmless T Break review.


  148. Chops Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 10:52

    My point with touring is that they quite simply haven’t. That aside, you don’t need to tour with a major band to tour, a lot of bands these days are booking tours themselves and that, in my opinion is hardworking. Getting your manager to sweet talk someone into letting you on a massive support isn’t hard work, it’s just a manager doing their job. The manager is doing the hard work there. Good on them for securing a hard working manager, he clearly hears something I can’t.

    All I was doing was questioning the claim that they have worked hard. There are a lot of other (and better) Scottish bands out there (signed and unsigned) who have worked considerably harder who get little to no support.

    Last I checked Boycotts weren’t unsigned either – correct me if I’m wrong though. So in short, they get more support but don’t appear to work hard enough to warrant it.


  149. fin Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 10:59

    Touring yourself can be pretty stupid at times but. Far too many bands book themselves shows up and down the country in shit little bars and think that’s going to translate to widespread success. Firstly, to do that well i’d argue you need help and a booking agent anyway and secondly i’m just not that sure how much benefit it can do. Hence all i’m saying is maybe they haven’t done it because they don’t think it would be worth it yet.

    Christ man, there are bands in Scotland who get signed before they’ve even played a gig so keeping that in mind i’d say they are fairly hard working.


  150. Jim Gellatly Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 11:01

    @chops “Perhaps to those who are truly awful a few words explaining why you think they’re so bad? So if a band keep sending you demos and keep entering tbreak etc and keep getting knocked back with no explanation why, don’t you think feedback instead of completely ignoring them would be more helpful?” Agreed, and I do that on a regular basis. I just don’t do it publically.


  151. Jim Gellatly Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 11:07

    @chops “…personally I’ve always thought they were nothing special – this is an opinion built on me having bought all their records and not enjoyed any of them, but wanted to give them a chance anyway. I’ve also seen them four times, and was bored shitless every time.” Huh? Sucker! Surely after at least 3 gigs you’d have realised they weren’t your thing.


  152. Chops Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 11:09

    Fair enough, if you don’t think it’s worth it, but what is worth it? Playing in “shit little bars” over and over again in Scotland where it’s clear if you don’t conform to one of just three fashionable styles you’ll be totally ignored? Going outside Scotland and experiencing true diversity is something bands should want to do. And while a booking agent helps, it doesn’t mean it can’t be done. Promoters and venues in England won’t take a chance on an unsigned band without any form of representation from Scotland unless they think the music is worth trying to promote.

    I can’t think of any Scottish bands who have recently been signed without ever having played a gig, though I do know of a band who were signed to a very big label off the back of some demos which never saw the light of day in Scotland.


  153. Chops Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 11:12

    @Jim “Sucker! Surely after at least 3 gigs you’d have realised they weren’t your thing”

    After the second time I saw them I knew I didn’t want to see them again, but hey that’s what happens when you go to festivals – you go with mates to see bands they like and vice versa. I guess being a patient friend makes me a sucker.


  154. fin Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 18:07

    I can think of at least two bands that have been signed without playing any gigs from Scotland Chops, I won’t name them though because I wouldn’t ever bitch about bands over the internet…


  155. fin Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 18:10

    oh aye also, from my experience it’s probably easier to book tours off your own back as a metal band or something with a more unusual ‘scene’. The promoters seem more ready to give unheard of bands a shot outside of where they’re from.


  156. FatDaddyLovesYou Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 20:45

    @Chops. who are you? what is your vested interest in the selection process? Are you in a band? are you a writer? or are you someone that has nothing better to do than type pish into this pish blog all day long? Why do you care? if all new music in scotland is pish then why rabbit on about it|? just stop listening and read a book or something. can you read? You are privy to specific information about each band and all the judges, i think it only fair we know a little about you so we can feel more justified in forming opinions about you. I want to know you, to feel you, to love you? But mainly i want to not be exposed to your jaded mind constantly, please for the love of jesus do something in the music world. so i can respect you a bit, or fuck off. Preferably fuck off though. Fuck Fuckity Fuck Fuck Fuck
    XXX


  157. Chops Says:

    May 21st, 2011 at 22:37

    @FatDaddyLovesYou Thank you for that scintillating nugget of literary gold. To answer you, I have no vested interest in the selection process, I really don’t care at all, I also have no desire to watch Beyonce shake her arse at Scotland’s equivalent of Easter weekend at Alton Towers. So none of this means anything to me.

    The reason I’ve rabbited on, as you so eloquently put it, is pretty much just for the sake of it. I enjoy being able to express my opinion and engage in a little heated back and forth. It tickles me. Does that make me a troll? Jesting aside, as I said previously, not everyone is pleased with the line-up or the selection process and want something to change – I believe debate is a healthy way to discuss and encourage change.

    I certainly didn’t say that all new music in Scotland is pish, far from it, all I feel is that some fantastic bands are totally ignored by the Scottish music industry and I can’t understand why.

    It’s as though the industry has some self-destructive predilection to encourage only proven winners or fashion compliant acts to flourish, thereby dejecting and stifling the true wealth of talent across Scotland. Geographic disparity is also a massive issue. What I have come to understand, after engaging in this debate, is that my questions are unlikely to ever be answered.

    Now, you’ve said you’d like to know more about me, but just a few sentences later you request I fuckity fuck off, so which is it, you ferociously uncouth, but admittedly humorous heathen?


  158. fin Says:

    May 22nd, 2011 at 14:35

    I can’t believe you’ve just said you have no interest in something you’ve just written about 3000 words about. That is actually mental.


  159. watergate Says:

    May 23rd, 2011 at 01:00

    i’m in a band that’s playing t-break. and have been in bands that have applied to play for about 6/7 years.

    over the last 18 months, we’ve actually made the effort to let people hear our music and because of that, we’ve got gigs, been played on the radio and been picked to play T in the Park.

    now, we don’t have an agent/manager/label/finances/buzz that some bands have but we work fucking hard and have to juggle our jobs and family lives (even our youngest member is still about 5 years older than some bands playing Tbreak) to make a go of playing music – like most bands on the bill have.

    Playing T might not lead to us getting big and selling records, but we’re going to enjoy it as it’s a nice way to celebrate 3 years hard work.

    If anyone begrudges any band playing that, go sober up you fucking killjoy.


  160. Jim Gellatly Says:

    May 24th, 2011 at 11:02

    My next podcast shall be dedicated to @chops.


  161. Just a thought! Says:

    May 25th, 2011 at 08:52

    Came via DIS to this site

    Chops or whatever his name is?? does have some valid points about the current state of the music scene in Scotland.

    Personally I blame the Franz/Sebastian tastemakers of weedgieland

    You have a lot to answer for with your “influence”

    Gutted Urbnri are not on the bill (LOLCOPOLCO)


  162. Me Says:

    June 29th, 2011 at 20:31

    OH LOOK!

    http://sucioperro.com/hs/news/t-in-the-park-confirmed/

    Sucio are playing Tbreak and this announced well after the competition results. Of course it helps if their manager’s husband is a stage manager for DF!


  163. Alex Botton Says:

    April 8th, 2012 at 01:40

    The Glasgow music “scene” is a pretentious pile of steaming
    dog shite. Gave up on it years ago


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